tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post6455178171121085842..comments2023-08-03T07:33:41.442-07:00Comments on Idealistic Pragmatist: A look at the Conservatives' electoral reform consultationIdealistic Pragmatisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-56171932448596474122007-03-29T20:02:00.000-07:002007-03-29T20:02:00.000-07:00Why do you think increasing womens representation ...Why do you think increasing womens representation is somehow tied to democracy? <BR/><BR/>If women wanted the job surely the liberals and NDP counl each find 150+ in all of canada to run but I guess they don't want the job.<BR/><BR/>Or does that mean Liberals and NDP are biased VS women?<BR/><BR/>Sounds terrible to me.<BR/><BR/><I>The broader term "democratic reform" encompasses the Senate, increasing women's representation, increasing citizens' engagement,</I><BR/><BR/>If you tell me as a man I can't vote for a woman you call that democratic? To me corruption like that sounds like one of the reasons people don't vote.<BR/><BR/><I>it's about the biases inherent in the process.</I><BR/><BR/>Better a biased process than an unbiased non process. Course you disagree....<BR/><BR/>It just should be your way for true democracy, Right Aniken?<BR/><BR/>:)genslub3https://www.blogger.com/profile/04276070685278007796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-61880739320014583542007-03-29T19:43:00.000-07:002007-03-29T19:43:00.000-07:00P.S. I haven't heard of any other bloggers attendi...P.S. I haven't heard of any other bloggers attending the sessions, non-conservative or otherwise. Have you?Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-48564864165384442622007-03-29T19:42:00.000-07:002007-03-29T19:42:00.000-07:00Candace,"Electoral reform" IS about the voting sys...Candace,<BR/><BR/>"Electoral reform" IS about the voting system. The broader term "democratic reform" encompasses the Senate, increasing women's representation, increasing citizens' engagement, and all that other good stuff. Which, agreed, we should also be talking about.<BR/><BR/>My issue isn't about addressing the whole of democratic reform on one weekend, though, it's about the biases inherent in the process.Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-2609928373020739902007-03-29T19:36:00.000-07:002007-03-29T19:36:00.000-07:00IP, I think I mentioned on a different post of you...IP, I think I mentioned on a different post of yours that "electoral reform" to the CPoC doesn't begin and end at voting, but is more around the Senate. Reading what MAD wrote, I'd argue that they tried to cover a lot of bases. It may not be perfect, it may not be what YOU were looking for, but you have to admit, it's a hell of a lot more than any federal government has done in the past.<BR/><BR/>BC was all about the voting system.<BR/><BR/>There HAS to be more to it than that. Representation, from a numbers perspective (i.e. seats per province) is way off. The Senate COULD counteract the lopsidedness of population by being equal per province, but the big provinces (Ont & Quebec) hate the idea of giving up their power.<BR/><BR/>If I have to give you STV to get a triple-E senate, I will. But to think that "electoral reform" is ONLY about how we vote is way to narrow a definition.<BR/><BR/>Have you been able to find a non-conservative blogger that attended one of these sessions? From the sounds of things, the turnout was high, so one would hope...Candacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05903011672174393312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-38998106506044623312007-03-29T19:33:00.000-07:002007-03-29T19:33:00.000-07:00Thanks for covering this, it's good someone is exp...Thanks for covering this, it's good someone is explaining the sham to the folks in the blogosphere at least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-38804522812204962262007-03-27T11:19:00.000-07:002007-03-27T11:19:00.000-07:00Anon,You seem to be making an assumption that you ...Anon,<BR/><BR/>You seem to be making an assumption that you can't be for PR if you're a conservative. That doesn't necessarily follow. Lots of conservatives are for PR, especially former Reformers.<BR/><BR/>Take a look at the guy's blog. He's very definitely a conservative.Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-82416993835301364492007-03-27T10:59:00.000-07:002007-03-27T10:59:00.000-07:00"But I think it did well if I had said I'm torn be..."But I think it did well if I had said I'm torn between the western separatists and the CHP failing them the CPC a lot might have rolled their eyes every time I talk."<BR/><BR/>This is a 'Conservative'?<BR/><BR/>Seems like he's for PR to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-56237413198287941932007-03-26T11:28:00.000-07:002007-03-26T11:28:00.000-07:00Yer right as rain, IP. The whole reform process ha...Yer right as rain, IP. The whole reform process has been set up with failure as its ultimate goal. Too bad we hafta spend almost a billion bucks on a flim-flam dog an' pony show. <BR/><BR/>DisPR benefits the big guys. The big guys are always in power thanks to disPR. They are the ones who must change the system. They are the chief beneficiaries of the current system. They will not change it willingly. The public must demand reform. Most of the public doesn't understand the unfairness or the importance of the issue and sees it as "too complicated". <BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.com