tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post4971435480959999497..comments2023-08-03T07:33:41.442-07:00Comments on Idealistic Pragmatist: Blogging partisans and partisan blogs, take twoIdealistic Pragmatisthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-34706628037064104362008-03-13T15:30:00.000-07:002008-03-13T15:30:00.000-07:00I have to respond after re-reading this gem from C...I have to respond after re-reading this gem from Cherniak,it's just to funny<BR/>..."I want to note, though, that I don't "tow the party line". I merely try to avoid directly criticizing".....<BR/><BR/><BR/>Now I think I am beginning to<BR/> understand why so many lawyers become politicians.Dirk Buchholzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07570132508341336729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-52861787894737873632008-03-13T15:27:00.000-07:002008-03-13T15:27:00.000-07:00Steve said..."How rich, that you are reduced to sl...Steve said..."How rich, that you are reduced to slagging bloggers to make your point, the people that do pay attention, the people that obviously care about the issues, the people that are engaged"....<BR/><BR/>here,here....<BR/>Partisan blogs and bloggers are all so boring.<BR/>Like really whats the point,we get that day in and day out (in most part}from the msm etc.<BR/>Its this reality that causes many people to blog in the first place.Dirk Buchholzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07570132508341336729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-21292721031060955512008-03-12T19:41:00.000-07:002008-03-12T19:41:00.000-07:00I want to note, though, that I don't "tow the part...<I>I want to note, though, that I don't "tow the party line". I merely try to avoid directly criticizing [...]</I><BR/><BR/>How progressive, Jason!Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15012567844101960274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-27483850334451546392008-03-12T19:23:00.000-07:002008-03-12T19:23:00.000-07:00"I think many bloggers focus too much on expressin..."I think many bloggers focus too much on expressing themselves and not enough on acheiving the results they desire."<BR/><BR/>And, how in the fuck would you now that??? Seriously, where do you get off with your ignorant blanket statements, concerning people you've never met, no nothing about, what they've done. Just because people aren't consumed with personal ambition, doesn't mean they don't contribute. How rich, that you are reduced to slagging bloggers to make your point, the people that do pay attention, the people that obviously care about the issues, the people that are engaged.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-572975357469553972008-03-12T18:09:00.000-07:002008-03-12T18:09:00.000-07:00Jason,You're missing my point. For a lot of blogg...Jason,<BR/><BR/>You're missing my point. For a lot of bloggers, "expressing themselves" <I>is</I> the result they desire. They simply don't have the same goals you have. And I really do think that's got to be okay with you.Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-78217048714282678652008-03-12T17:42:00.000-07:002008-03-12T17:42:00.000-07:00A very fair comment. I want to note, though, that...A very fair comment. I want to note, though, that I don't "tow the party line". I merely try to avoid directly criticizing when, isntead, I can talk about a topic I agree with or put my disagreement in an unquotable manner.<BR/><BR/>In a more general way, I think many bloggers focus too much on expressing themselves and not enough on acheiving the results they desire.Jason Cherniakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12473304114206630747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-67335552292719280082008-03-12T16:09:00.000-07:002008-03-12T16:09:00.000-07:00Steve,I actually think Jason didn't admonish you a...Steve,<BR/><BR/>I actually think Jason didn't admonish you as a bad Liberal--he admonished you as a bad political communicator. (He's wrong, of course.)Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-87215646139429595872008-03-12T15:55:00.000-07:002008-03-12T15:55:00.000-07:00IPIn this argument, I've never suggested that Jaso...IP<BR/><BR/>In this argument, I've never suggested that Jason should adhere to my definition of blogging, the two versions you articulate. Jason can do whatever he wants, but the only relevant point here, others shouldn't be admonished as "bad" Liberals for speaking their minds.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-33928510747163190322008-03-12T15:44:00.000-07:002008-03-12T15:44:00.000-07:00Kim,The thing is, there isn't only one single "poi...Kim,<BR/><BR/>The thing is, there isn't only one single "point of the medium," here. You're using your blog to exchange ideas and opinions. Jason's using his blog essentially as an extension of the Liberal Party message. They're entirely different goals. We can all have opinions on which of the two types of blogs we personally prefer to read (I certainly do!), but the fact is, both kinds of blogs do get read. And it's hard for those of us who prefer nuanced arguments viewed from a distance to imagine that blindly partisan rhetoric could ever change minds, but if it didn't, the political parties themselves wouldn't be using it.<BR/><BR/>Jason does seem to be saying that all Liberal bloggers should just spout the party line and refrain from being critical when it might damage the party. He's wrong--he's not taking into account the fact that people like you might have different goals in blogging. But you shouldn't make the same mistake he's making, in reverse, and assume that <I>his</I> goals have to be the same as <I>yours.</I>Idealistic Pragmatisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18296481430598981678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12426618.post-39364800380123853562008-03-12T15:31:00.000-07:002008-03-12T15:31:00.000-07:00I don't think I agree with where you've gone with ...I don't think I agree with where you've gone with this argument. To me, the power of social software is that it brings people together into communities and allows them to exchange ideas -- it foments debate it doesn't repress it. If, as Cherniak, is stating Liberal bloggers should avoid doing this by simply spouting the party line then it is missing the point of the medium. Similarly those who as you state are partisan bloggers censor or prevent comment on their positions are also missing the point of the medium. They're also missing an opportunity to engage their constituentsa and move their cause forward. After all if you can't convince people of the soundness of your strategy and vision then you haven't got much.Kim Feradayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02971613301669856764noreply@blogger.com